The Guza is strong in this one.

Ah, the third try at a fifth wedding. What could be more sacred? If you answered “everything?” you are correct. But it doesn’t matter, because Carly and Sonny are tying the knot — again, some more — and we’re recapping this train wreck.

Carly and Sonny in the chapel

Carly wheels Sonny into the hospital chapel — where, you may recall, she is fully expecting to be crashing some strangers’ wedding for no reason — and instead finds Morgan, Michael, and Dante wearing tuxes. Gasp! Sonny asks if she’ll marry him right now.

Maxie’s on the phone down at the docks, making last minute wedding arrangements. Dillon paces and bitches about the time Nathan’s jealous freak out has cost them. Have I talked about how much I hate Kirsten Storms’ hair lately? They need to seriously dial back on the bleach and stop pulling it back if they’re not going to keep up with the roots. STOP MAKING MAXIE LOOK TERRIBLE, SHOW.

Nathan, meanwhile, is at the station, seriously contemplating a donut. Just as he’s about to take a bite, Valerie rips it away and throws it in the trash. Ryan Paevey reacts with possibly the most genuine emotion I’ve ever seen him display.

NuJoss and family

Back at the chapel, NuJoss comes in, leading Kristina, Lulu, Sabrina, Bobbie, and Lucas. Carly reacts to seeing her youngest child for the first time in a month after secretly flying solo across the world with the vaguely pleased surprise of a person discovering five dollars in an old jacket.

Meanwhile, Paul is at Ava’s gallery, trolling Anna by texting her from Sloane’s phone. Ava walks in, and he tells her he’s taken care of the Carlos loose end and also has some new business for her to take care of. Ava stammers — stammers — that she can’t help him. This is so weak, y’all. The Ava Jerome who first came to town would never be reduced to groveling in front Paul Hornsby, of all people. She’d have ripped his throat out and taken the tape back the night he first came to her.

Dante and Lulu talk about how happy Sonny and Carly look. Dante thinks Sonny has everything a man needs. A thriving criminal empire built on human suffering? Loyal sycophants who will defend him no matter how badly he hurts them? Dimples?

Nathan's donut

Valerie yells at Nathan for going to Dante with the pregnancy test before asking her about it. He promises to stay out of it from now on. Maybe I’m just desperate for Valerie to get a new plot, but I am way more interested in her friendship with Nathan than her obsession with Dante?

Over on the docks, Maxie tells Dillon he needs to get his Lulu issues under control. He whines about Lulu’s bad reaction to him kissing her in the middle of a conversation about how she doesn’t think of him that way. I fantasize about punching him in the face. Fortunately, Maxie spotting a corpse floating in the water interrupts his Nice GuyTM pity party.

Over at the station, Anna gets “Sloane’s” last text, promising to never bother her again. Jordan has called her in to answer some questions about poor, sexy, dead Carlos. Anna does a bad job of not acting suspicious, but they’re interrupted by a call about the body.

Ava's dinosaur

Ava appeals to Paul’s paternal sympathies, since she needs to be able to show the court she’s a better parent than Sonny and Carly. Considering a court already ruled Sonny unfit once, that seems like it would be easy, except that Ava is also a terrible human. Then again, she does have a painting of a giant dinosaur head. Can Sonny say that? No, he cannot.

Lulu and Sabrina have an incredibly contrived conversation about how good looking the Corinthos clan is. Sabrina smirks that they have good genes, although Michael “technically comes from different stock.” Which is an awfully casual way of bringing up the dead biological father Sonny murdered in cold blood, but I guess if Michael doesn’t care about that anymore, why should anyone else?

Lulu warns Sabrina that Michael is more like Sonny than any of his siblings and to beware of what she’s getting into. Sabrina brushes off her concerns. Shut up, Sabrina.

All Sonny's Children

Meanwhile, Sonny’s kids stand in a circle, giving him their blessing and a tongue bath about how wonderful he is:

MICHAEL: You know, we’re here for you, dad. Any guy can have kids, but it takes a real man to be a father.
MORGAN: That’s what we have.

In case you were wondering, that sound you just heard was me throwing up in my mouth.

NuJoss is freakishly cheerful. And apparently plays the recorder? I guess a summer with Jax really does work wonders. Lucas tells Carly that she and Sonny “set an example of what it means to truly love” and that when he and Brad get married it will be her fault for being such an inspiration. A) Thanks for making me throw up again, show, and B) I’m pretty sure that’s more airtime than Brad has gotten in over a month.

Carly walks down the aisle

Somehow, Maxie and Lulu have managed to wrangle up a completely new dress that fits Carly perfectly with about an hour’s notice, because of course they did. I can’t complain too much about implausibility, though, because the last dress was hideous. Everyone gets into position, but as soon as the chaplain begins to speak, Sonny cuts in and tells him to skip to the end so they don’t get interrupted again. Um, that seems like information you could have conveyed at any point before the ceremony actually began, but whatever, you rude asshole.

Sonny and Carly exchange all new vows apparently off the top of their heads, and it’s all blah blah, love, and blah blah, you save my life. In lieu rolling my eyes, I’ll just leave this clip, which, again, was only two years ago, and really says everything there is to say about this relationship:

Back at the gallery, Paul relents for the moment. Probably because he, too, is bored with watching Ava be reduced to sniveling like this. But he warns her to wrap up her custody case, stat. As soon as he leaves, Anna walks in to grill Ava regarding Carlos. Meanwhile, the body Maxie and Dillon found in the water is unrecognizable, but has Carlos’ ID. How convenient!

Bobbie congratulates Sonny and then has the nerve to gently suggest he make a change to his lifestyle before anyone else he loves gets hurt. Carly immediately apologizes for this terrible transgression of injecting reality into the proceedings.

Dante gets a call about Carlos. Sabrina goes into hysterics, while Carly’s face pretty obviously wonders if Morgan did it. Hilariously, he starts to throw a hissy fit in response and then promises to “be cool” as a wedding gift — but just this once! He’ll be back to full on rage monkey as soon as their special day is over!

Carly regrets her choices

Carly’s “crap, my kid killed someone” face has
been getting a real work out lately

After Morgan storms out, Sonny reassures Carly that he’s too stupid to have killed Carlos without getting found out. Well, that’s probably true. Sonny thinks Ava’s the one who killed Carlos to cover her tracks.

Josslyn wants to know where they’re taking her their honeymoon and Sonny suggests an Iowa cornfield, to her delight. I guess NuJoss is still a weirdo corn freak? But she’s lost that bitchy Carly edge, which is sad. I miss weird, mean Children of the Corn Joss.

At the station, Dante runs into Dillon and warns him to stay away from Lulu. I can already tell this confrontation is going to be an epic douche-off, but luckily, that’s saved for tomorrow. Elsewhere, Maxie’s having trouble giving her statement because it turns out finding a decaying corpse is a little upsetting.

Valerie freaks out

When Valerie offers some comfort, talk somehow turns to the pregnancy test Maxie found in the trash, causing Valerie to freak out so intensely that she’s basically just guaranteed Maxie will figure out the real secret.  Nice job, champ.

Sabrina tells Michael that she just doesn’t believe Carlos tried to kill Sonny. I mean, he did try to kill AJ and did actually kill Duke, but Sonny? She just can’t believe it! Meanwhile, Paul summons Anna down to the docks to give her the news about Carlos. Her poker face needs work.

Carly and Sonny lay on his hospital bed, talking about how different they imagined their wedding night would be. Ew.

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41 thoughts on “The Guza is strong in this one.

  1. that’s why i totally don’t care about this show anymore, guza might as well come back because how are these writers doing anything different from him

    keep it as you may, the previous writer, was willing to write for everyone, not just those priveledged few

    and the mob, mob, mob

    susan

    • In my opinion after the first 18 months of writing RC had the same problem only he wanted to write for his own creations rather than more established characters. Newbies drove story and veteran characters played supporting roles. Silas drove story, Sam supported him. Franco drove story and Carly supported him. Nathan drove story and Maxie supported him. Ava drove story and various people supported her. Sabrina drove story and Patrick and Robin supported her. Britta drove story and Nikolas supported her. The kiddie quad namely Spencer drove story and a village supported them. Nina just ate up the canvas for almost six months airing day in and day out playing one dimensional cray cray. Veteran characters in particular changed personalities and sometimes history from one month to the next depending on what plot point RC had to cram them into.

      Some characters like Liz and AJ disappeared for months (2013) and Alexis more than once in late 2013, 2014 and nearly four months in 2015 until the ratings bombed so badly that the 2/3 of the canvas that was going to be idle during this summer were brought back on canvas. That happened with Sonny and Carly, Patrick (even though he’s still just Sam’s purse holder) and Julian and Alexis who were left hanging without story during the summer months after finishing their May mini-arc where they mostly drove Olivia’s baby story which happened to be an extremely unpopular one.

      The result were so many characters on the show being essentially in a holding pattern having the same conversations with the same people over and over because there were apparently no story arcs planned for them during the summer while they did Luke’s Return, dragged out the Jake reveal some more and tried to cram as many newer, younger characters on canvas to win back the fleeing age demo. New characters or recasts were brought on and from day one drove story or were front burner without the audience getting a chance to know them.

      I’m no Guza fan and I see elements of him certainly during the period when the show was reworking RC’s story arc (and everything on screen up to now is STILL from RC’s storyboards) and trying to remove the show out from the very deep hole RC left it in. If the show repeats Guza/JFP/Frons’ mistakes then it’ll end the same way it did in 2011. But it’s going to be hard to know for sure until the new HWs writing starts in terms of them creating their own story boards after closing out RC’s remaining ones.

  2. In your last post you mentioned that they can’t just jettison everything going on right now, which is why I’m wondering when does all original material usually start. Seeing as I started watching during the pit of Guza, I’m fine right now. I consider it a miracle that I continued watch Carlivati for this long; my first soap just before GH was OLTL and I grew uninterested in Carlivatis work. I’m expecting that around maybe February sweeps we’ll start seeing their own work instead of glorified tweaks; and then I’ll start making judgments.

    When it comes to Sabrina I don’t know if this makes sense, or is something I should be proud of; but the biggest reason I ship Sabel is because Sabrina is not Kiki. For some reason, TPTB have yet to bring back Scotts daughters and or Sean & Tiffanys daughter. Or since Nathan and Dillon are just here; and I feel like Maxie is heading into “Just being there” territory. I could go for some M&Ms.
    All I know is that this week I keep watching Sabrina wondering “does pregnancy really scramble your brain like eggs?”. First she managed to correlate Gabriels death at the hands of a teenager high on herion and cocaine, who drove them off the road; with faulty health care.
    Then she was making excuses for Carlos who probably hit her and did TIE HER TO A CHAIR. Sorry for the caps, but I spend time on message boards and I keep wondering if I’m the only one who remember that. I’m ok with Sabrina, she’s overall harmless; but if she’s the reason that the baby dies. I’m done giving her chances.

    My priorities are quite simple:
    This baby》》》》 》》》》//》》》Sabrina Santiago.

    • In your last post you mentioned that they can’t just jettison everything going on right now, which is why I’m wondering when does all original material usually start. Seeing as I started watching during the pit of Guza, I’m fine right now. I consider it a miracle that I continued watch Carlivati for this long; my first soap just before GH was OLTL and I grew uninterested in Carlivatis work. I’m expecting that around maybe February sweeps we’ll start seeing their own work instead of glorified tweaks; and then I’ll start making judgments.

      i thought that i read that we were already seeing the new writer’s work…..

      susan

        • I mean original ideas that they’ve come up with; not scripts they’ve been writing for pre existing game plans. Nothing new has happened yet, just things became more tolerable to watch

          i don’t know….

          i would prefer that paul be not the big bad…and all that

          i would prefer that sonny and carly aren’t married agian..

          i would prefer that micheal c hasn’t become micheal corlione…

          and all that kind of stuff

          i would prefer that brad and lucas be married, and that kind of idea…

          so for me, all they’re doing is continuing on………and i am not holding out that they come up with something totally original…

          see my baby swap stuff…

          susan

    • If change was truly coming, I’d expect to see it well before February. When Frank and Ron came on board, my impression was they were pretty much given free reign; they didn’t drop stories entirely, but they immediately started wrapping them up or changing them (killing off dead weight like Maggie, Ethan and the Lady in White, changing Robin’s HIV-related death to a kidnapping faked death, etc.).

      So if the current powers that be wanted to, the they could turn stuff on a dime — witness Michael’s overnight return to the Corinthos fold. The problem is, I think we’ve already seen the biggest change, which is the refocus on Sonny’s family and the mob as the center of the show. I don’t anticipate that changing with the new writers, because my sense is that Nathan Varni and the network are heavily influencing the current direction. Basically, I have very little optimism right now.

      • Nathan Varni and the network are heavily influencing the current direction. Basically, I have very little optimism right now.

        and that is pretty much what i’m saying…..

        they want the mob, and that’s all there is to it…

        i never watched the sopronos, wasn’t my cup of tea……and i hate that is what gh has turned into…

        the day time version of the show…

        for the past 25 years

        oh i know there have been mob related stories…but they’ve all come and gone….

        but as soon as sonny came on, they just never got rid of him…

        susan

  3. the only reason that they’re doing a pregnancy again with her is because she’s really pregs….that’s why they wrote in her first, and why olivia had to get pregs, and all that..

    in the past, they’ve been accused of not caring about pregnant women……

    when i was watching as the world turns…there were three actresses who were pregs, and they took turns with them having babies on the soap…they’d write in every second one……sort of idea

    and they managed to have baby swaps galore….

    so that’s why i keep going on, and on about a baby swapping story…

    we all pretty much know that val’s pregs…so….

    to me an original story now would be no baby swap…that kind of idea…

    because those stories especially on this soap as of late has been done to death….

    i can’t tell you how many i’ve seen in the past 10 years, i’ve totally lost count…..

    what else…

    i like c’s work, because he was using all the cast, but somewhere along the line, i believe that he was told that he had to go, he was their scape goat…so to speak…….

    so that’s why i don’t see anything different..

    who knows, maybe i’ll be interested with kevin coming back

    but who is the new mayor now, is the old one still there, did she get caught up in the scandal

    why bring back paul only if he’s going to be tied into the mob.

    why start a story with brad and lucas, and just let it go,

    those for me are the stories that they should be tweaking,

    not just oh boring, sonny and carly are married again….ho hum…..been there, done that…

    so all in all, i prefered c’s work to this one…

    and my biggest of all was killing off silas…..a haracter who was never given a chance to shine…..

    ME is a great actor and they had a big loss, and a big no-no, by not using him….

    he and ava would have been gold…..and a really great triangle with nina attached….and so much other stuff

    no, these writers, if it is their work, and i believe that it is……are only using those chosen few……and i got bored with them ages ago…..

    susan

    • That Theresa Castillo is pregnant again in real life is not a good reason to carry it over to Sabrina, IMO. I would much prefer a few months of awkward purses and baggy clothes to tying Sabrina to the next Quartermaine heir.

      • Ya’ll know Sabrina is the Disney Princess, so of course that baby is going to be born a Quartermaine!… RME.

        Yes, it made more sense to just ignore TCa’s current pregnancy and even LLC with huge purses. Sabrina could have simply left town after hearing about Carlos dying or just to leave town, permanently.

  4. the reason why they made her first baby die is because well she wasn’t tied into sonny’s hospital not really

    when you think about it…

    patrick had no ties to the mob……and no one really liked the two of them anyway…so…..that was another reason so that they could really go ahead and break them up

    and they needed someone to be with their real person……sam….because well jason wasn’t there for her, and all that kind of stuff

    and now that he’s back or he will be real soon…..they will break up her and patrick

    and i don’t blame jason thompson (patrick) if he doesnt’ resign, because we all know that they’ll do nothing at all with him……afterwards

    susan

    • Ratings went down under Guza and RC. Guza had lower ratings including share overall at the end of his reign than RC did but Guza’s key demo was about 300,000 viewers higher for 18-49 female than RC’s wound up being, in part b/c a larger audience of them were watching soaps than they do now. RC didn’t drop ratings? From March to the end he managed to drop the average viewership from 3.1 million plus (early March ) to 2.5 million and the 18-49 female audience was only 2/3 the size of viewership it had been just a few months earlier. I think it bottomed out at around 385,000 viewers. Yes RC was constrained by the network but NV is nothing like Brian Frons who had Guza in a chokehold even though he was in my opinion as misogynist w/ a streak of ageism attached as Guza.

      GH’s ratings did reverse marginally a month ago likely in large part to the return of some viewers who don’t watch as often or at all in the summer months. They’re back to losing viewers but so far the loss is skewed older than 34 female, i.3. one week they lost 140,000 viewers but only 1,000 were in the 18-34 female demo. Yes there are other mediums to tap into to watch the show including ABC, cable on demand (and ABC has arrangements with most of them to receive viewership data) and Hulu (ABC and Hulu even split ad revenue on GH episodes airing there). The only audience they can’t count is YT and ABC responded by cracking down hard especially over the summer on uploaded episodes to YT by blocking people with US IP addresses from watching them.

      Ratings did increase including key demos especially from August to early spring 2014. Then we hit the ratings glitch but even accounting for it, the ratings were probably much higher last summer than this summer. But to say that they didn’t take a huge dive this summer is just not the case. RC was under contract until Dec. which meant that to release him, they likely had to pay the remainder off while employing co-HWs. I don’t think they’d make that kind of investment unless they were at least concerned about the show’s ratings.

      • As far as networks exercising control over the writing on soaps, there’s no such thing as “free rein”. Networks assume full costs and civic liability over their programming. All networks have standards and practices divisions which have to make sure that anything that’s written or produced doesn’t risk civil liability in terms of violating obscenity laws, engage in defamation of living people. etc. The network takes the financial losses if a show underperforms or drops in ratings especially significantly. And the ratings drop for GH during the summer was definitely significant. So I don’t blame the network at all if it got more involved with the creative work product. At least the current network people seem to appreciate and really like the show.Never got the sense that Frons liked soaps and when he, Guza and JFP were involved, it wasn’t even a soap. It was Sopranos Lite.

        To give Cartini their credit, the show was a raging mess after Guza left because it didn’t seem to really be a soap anymore and they did tremendous work to get the show turned around and ratings did respond but at some point that effort just seemed to run off the rails as the show hired more newbies and then focused the show on the newbies.

        I don’t see RC as a victim of his employers even though there are some soap media people out there painting him with that brush making the network as the villain. I think it’s like many things a very complicated one that involved many factors.

        • I understand all that. I don’t mean they had literal freedom to show full frontal and throw down F-bombs, just considerably more freedom with regard to plot direction than had been exercised under Frons with previous regimes.

          I think Carlivati is neither a victim or a villain; he seems very much like a man who just burned out, and my sense is that there were a lot of complicating factors, like Frank’s hiring decisions that the writing had to accommodate and whatever directives were coming down from the Network. I also don’t blame the network for taking an interest in response to falling ratings, but their idea of what was wrong and how to fix it are VERY different from mine. IMO, they should be looking back to what worked under Ron when the ratings were up rather than to what nearly ruined the show before he came on board.

          • k..if that’s the case with burn out…why on earth do they go from show to show, to show…

            each and every writer that they’ve had, has been on a soap for 20 plus years.,…either as a head or as a secondary writer…

            so no i do not believe it…

            if it is a case of burn out…then let’s get 20 something writers, and not those that have been doing soaps since they were in their 20’s…….

            and all that

            susan

            but once again was it him…or were all his scenes t……

            susan

          • they should be looking back to what worked under Ron when the ratings were up rather than to what nearly ruined the show before he came on board.

            now that i totally agree with

            susan

  5. ★ Honestly, I don’t think I’d blame half the cast if didn’t want to resign. I think Frank Valentini gives his Head Writers to much power; Or at least he gave too much to Ron Carlivati.

    ★Aside from it leaving Sabrina with zero ties, I don’t think it was a crime killing off Gabriel.

    ★For me the Sabel baby has little to do with Sabrina, yes it will be nice if she has a baby that lives and an ounce of relevance; since I don’t see her leaving. However, for me an original idea is a bio Quartermaine baby; born and raised as a Quartermaine. Or a baby story that isn’t debauched and convoluted.

    ★ I sort of like her character now that she’s not Starry eyed over Patrick. But if Michael has to be a single parent so be it. I’ve already said on a board that I wouldn’t mind if Michael was tested while Teresa Castillo was on maternity leave; especially if they bring back Carlos. Either way, I’m hoping against all hopes Michael doesn’t become a mobster, and or change his last name.

    ★ If Valerie actually is or gets pregnant; and then Lulu gets pregnant; and Sabrina already is pregnant; I don’t know what I’ll do. I don’t mind being thrown a curveball, but I hate children in death or peril stories. But I know all 3 probably won’t live, and if choosing between more Corinthos’ and a Quartermaine, I know what TPTB will choose. Clealy it will be the Quartermaine( I just wanted to see if my hand could type that).

    • I sort of like her character now that she’s not Starry eyed over Patrick. But if Michael has to be a single parent so be it. I’ve already said on a board that I wouldn’t mind if Michael was tested while Teresa Castillo was on maternity leave; especially if they bring back Carlos. Either way, I’m hoping against all hopes Michael doesn’t become a mobster, and or change his last name.

      too late….he already has

      susan

      i agree, if it was a q baby, i’d be more happy…but we now know what side micheal is on….so

      has monia even seen the returned jake…….and all that…..

      • ★Beggars can’t be choosers, right now he’s still sharing scenes with Tracy, whose going to be involved in this story; and I don’t think he’s changing his name. I don’t think the new HW are so dumb as to completely disconnect him from the Quartermaines.

        ★Maybe almost killing his child will snap Michael out of it. I know that he’ll never be a fully deactivated Sonnybot, but it would be nice if he could be a malfunctioning one.

        ★Both Monica and Michael have seen Jake, its just that Ron Carlivati and his infinite wisdom put zero emphasis on it. It was just something that happened in the background.

  6. Regarding why soap writers go from show to show – because they work for a living, like everyone else, and it’s their increasingly shrinking field. Soap writers don’t tend to get hired outside of the genre. There are exceptions, of course; but for most of them, the next job opportunity is another soap. And because the genre is in decline, younger writers are more likely to try elsewhere. Seasoned writers with expertise who haven’t written for soaps are unlikely to want a head writer job for one – it’s a career dead end.

    I mean, I’d take the job. But no one is asking me.

    • Yup. And the networks are so risk-averse that they are more willing to hire someone with experience — even if that experience is negative — than to take a chance on a complete unknown.

    • Wasn’t Carlivati basically new blood at OLTL? He certainly brought a fresh approach.

      i believe that he was, yes…

      some of his stuff was good, but i get the feeling that he was undermined even at that soap

      he was going to have the first male gay couple, raising a child, but all that was trashed….and all that….

      so.

      and now it’s even gone at days..it’s like they are only allowed to go so far with them

      wasn’t micheal malone..(can’t remember the exact person) writing when i started to watch in 2003..there and he went onto write a book…that was incorporated into the show, and all that kind of stuff…

      he choose to leave….and then carlivati came on until the end..

      so

      yes they can go and do other stuff……..if it’s of their choosing…they don’t just have to be soap writers…

      and all that..

      susan

    • RC started working for OLTL in 1996. It took 11 years for him to become headwriter. It was his first soap, but he sure paid his dues. Still amazing that as an attorney, his law stories on both shows were so weak and unrealistic.

      One Life to Live Head Writer September 11, 2007 to January 13, 2012
      Co-Head Writer May 8, 2007 to September 10th, 2007
      Breakdown Writer 2001 to 2007
      Script Writer 1998-2001
      Writer’s Assistant 1996-1998

      • i have always found that law stuff on the soaps is unrealistic…..because that’s the way that they want it to be…and all that kind of stuff

        susan

  7. I have many problems with the show which is why I stopped watching it. My biggest pet peeve was the way story lines were left dangling for weeks before they were picked up again. NulittleJake comes back from the dead and then weeks go by before we see him again and hear how he’s adjusting. Hayden wakes up from her coma moves in with Nikolas and weeks go by before we see them again. Brad drops a bombshell on Lucas about his marriage to Rosalie and there is no resolution. No one googles Brad and Rosalie to find out what the story is. In fact have we seen Rosalie since those scenes? Where does she work now? Still at ELQ? Ava manages to convince Franco to try and steal the flash drive from Scott but she loses her mojo when it comes to Paul Hornsby? And I’m so tired of hearing about Valerie and Dante’s one night stand. Even Jordan is tired of it. And what was the point of bringing back Kristina and then she disappears for days?

    • I have many problems with the show which is why I stopped watching it. My biggest pet peeve was the way story lines were left dangling for weeks before they were picked up again. NulittleJake comes back from the dead and then weeks go by before we see him again and hear how he’s adjusting. Hayden wakes up from her coma moves in with Nikolas and weeks go by before we see them again. Brad drops a bombshell on Lucas about his marriage to Rosalie and there is no resolution. No one googles Brad and Rosalie to find out what the story is. In fact have we seen Rosalie since those scenes? Where does she work now? Still at ELQ? Ava manages to convince Franco to try and steal the flash drive from Scott but she loses her mojo when it comes to Paul Hornsby? And I’m so tired of hearing about Valerie and Dante’s one night stand. Even Jordan is tired of it. And what was the point of bringing back Kristina and then she disappears for days?

      and rc was blamed for all that…but yet it’s still going on…..why, is my question

      susan

      i was going to say where’s sonny’s number one daughter…..

      and where was molly, shouldn’t oh gee they be at the wedding too…

      no, there’s not really anything different happening since rc was let go….

      so we’re supposed to believe that all of these stories will either be picked up or dropped even more when the newbies come on….nope

      we just have sonny’s hospital….and that’s all we get.

      Sonny and Carly are vomit.

      elle what a oh so true line to end your post with…..

  8. This show is on crack.

    We were left Friday with a cliffhanger as Jake heard Elizabeth talking about “Jake” being Jason and…nothing.

    And I also don’t get Sabrina’s continuous defense of Carlos, since he has a list of people he killed/attempted to kill. I can’t with her anymore. Ever since she convinced Michael to hand over Avery, I’m just done.

    I don’t understand why the Corinthos Mafia are so hell-bent on believing Ava tried to kill Sonny via Carlos. Carlos shot her and she was presumed dead b/c of that. That would kind of kill their association, wouldn’t it?

    Sonny and Carly are vomit.

  9. “And I also don’t get Sabrina’s continuous defense of Carlos, since he has a list of people he killed/attempted to kill. I can’t with her anymore. Ever since she convinced Michael to hand over Avery, I’m just done.”

    PREACH IT!! I sat there wondering if they were going for battered woman’s syndrome (that wasn’t a joke). I don’t know if I’m done with her, but if she (minusing the baby) wound up being made a fatality of Sonnys tantric antics I wouldn’t care to much. Maybe if Michael were forced to be a single parent having to raise his kid alone without a mother he’ll not be a perfectly functioning Sonnybot.

    • he’ll not be a perfectly functioning Sonnybot.

      i would love for that to happen, but we all know it won’t….

      ever since they took sonny away from being a drug dealing child abuser, and all that…….he’s their hero…

      barf, is all i can say…

      and i think that sabrana just doesn’t think that carlos can do no wrong..but maybe she is an abused woman…..she ran away from him..and all that..but hey she grew up in that culture, or so we were told……her cousin is the prodogy of a mob family too…so……she kind of knows it…..and that’s why she’s worshiping it……so not only is she brainwashed by carlos…she’s brainwashed by the entire mob culture

      susan

    • I cut Sabrina off in the heat of the moment, lol! I’ve been majorly annoyed with her, but I don’t think I’m really completely done (esp. with her flawless hair). I’ll just continue giving her side-eye.

  10. RC didn’t drop ratings? From March to the end he managed to drop the average viewership from 3.1 million plus (early March ) to 2.5 million and the 18-49 female audience was only 2/3 the size of viewership it had been just a few months earlier. I think it bottomed out at around 385,000 viewers. Yes RC was constrained by the network but NV is nothing like Brian Frons who had Guza in a chokehold even though he was in my opinion as misogynist w/ a streak of ageism attached as Guza.

    see and that’s why i think that he was the escape goat…

    susan
    \
    and what the other person said about rc not dropping stories at first, no he didn’t, it was only this year htat he stopped dropping stories, which makes me wonder when did he get his walking papers, it could have been months, before we actually found out…

    so half of the stuff that they say i don’t buy at all..

    their minds are made up…..and all that kind of stuff…

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